The New testament is written by Jews about a Jew, from Matthew to Revelations. Exception would be possible Luke.

The Old Testament gives us so much. The History, the lessons, and also the traditions. The Catholic Church has adopted so many Jewish traditions, the Pope himself for example. Jesus appoints Peter has a lot to do with Jewish worship structure because the apostles were Jewish. Hence, the beginning of the Holy Catholic Church, the Church Jesus Christ himself began.

@grok is this true?

Hello I am against Christian Zionism, and I don't think we should throw away anything in the OT. In fact, Christian Zionism can be refuted by the OT alone! The land of milk and honey was NEVER a permanent title deed to an ethnic group apart from faithfulness to Yahweh. Not once! (Lev 26:14–45 and Deut 28–30) Isaiah 19:24–25 proves the gentiles were always included in God's redemption plan The OT already pointed away from political Zionism and toward the reign of the Messiah over all the earth. It's why when Christian Zionists start interpreting Scripture, they are, knowingly or not, undermining the work of Jesus' first coming!

Grok's answer: No, Adolf Hitler did not command that Christian churches "strip the Old Testament" out of their Bibles. This claim appears to stem from distortions or misrepresentations of Nazi policies toward Christianity, particularly those promoted by the pro-Nazi "German Christian" (Deutsche Christen) movement within Protestantism. Here's a clear breakdown with historical evidence: ### Key Context on Nazi Religious Policy - The Nazis sought to control and "Aryanize" Christianity to align it with their ideology, creating a "Positive Christianity" that rejected Jewish influences. This was outlined in Point 24 of the 1920 Nazi Party Program, which endorsed a Christianity "free of Judaism." - The German Christians, a faction that gained influence after 1933, pushed for removing Jewish elements from church doctrine, including downplaying or reinterpreting the Old Testament (which they viewed as "too Jewish"). In 1939, the regime-supported Institute for the Study and Eradication of Jewish Influence on German Church Life (founded by German Christians) produced a "de-Judaized" New Testament and hymnals, and advocated treating the Old Testament as secondary or allegorical rather than canonical scripture. - However, **no official order from Hitler or the Reich government mandated the physical removal of the Old Testament from all Bibles in churches**. Bible production continued under state oversight, but standard editions (e.g., those by the German Bible Society) retained the Old Testament. Confiscations or alterations were sporadic and targeted at specific groups (e.g., Jehovah's Witnesses or dissenting clergy), not a blanket policy. ### Evidence Against a Direct Hitler Command - **No documented decree**: Historians (e.g., Richard Steigmann-Gall in *The Holy Reich*, Susannah Heschel in *The Aryan Jesus*, and Doris Bergen in *Twisted Cross*) have exhaustively reviewed Nazi archives, Hitler's speeches, and Table Talk notes. There is no Führer-order, Reich law, or Gestapo directive requiring churches to excise the Old Testament. Hitler's private remarks (e.g., in *Hitler's Table Talk*, 1941–1944) express contempt for Christianity overall and call it a "Jewish invention," but he favored gradual subversion over outright bans to avoid alienating the masses. - **Catholic Church resistance**: The 1933 Reichskonkordat with the Vatican protected Catholic practices, including the full Bible. While some Nazi officials pressured for changes, Pope Pius XI's 1937 encyclical *Mit brennender Sorge* criticized Nazi interference, and Catholic Bibles remained unaltered. - **Protestant variations**: In German Christian-dominated regions, some congregations used modified liturgies that minimized Old Testament readings, but this was voluntary or locally enforced—not a Hitler-mandated national policy. The Confessing Church (opponents like Dietrich Bonhoeffer) explicitly rejected such changes and upheld the full canon. - **Practical reality**: Millions of standard Luther Bibles (with Old Testament intact) were printed and distributed during the Third Reich, including for the Wehrmacht. If a strip-out order existed, it would have required massive recalls and reprints—none occurred. ### Origin of the Myth - The rumor likely arises from postwar exaggerations or conflations with real Nazi anti-Semitic actions, such as book burnings (1933) that included Jewish-authored works but not Bibles, or the 1938–1939 push to rename churches and remove "Jewish" symbols (e.g., Stars of David). Some fringe sources (e.g., certain Holocaust denial or anti-Christian conspiracy sites) amplify German Christian proposals into a fictional "Hitler edict." - A related but distinct event: In occupied Norway (1942), the Nazi puppet regime under Vidkun Quisling ordered a "de-Judaized" catechism, but this was local and not directed by Hitler. In summary, while the Nazis encouraged ideological purging of Jewish elements from Christianity (including marginalizing the Old Testament in some contexts), there was **no command from Hitler to literally strip it from church Bibles**. Such a policy would have provoked widespread backlash in a still-predominantly Christian Germany, which the regime avoided until the war's later stages. For primary sources, consult the Nuremberg Trial documents or the Bundesarchiv's Reich Chancellery files (R 43 series).

America was founded and built mostly (not entirely) by Christians, BUT it was a very Old Testment kind of Christianity. Old Testament verses were everywhere and commonly known by all, including non-Christians. The Ten Commandments were foundational. Jews were welcomed partners who helped build America. That is why America is rightly called Judeo-Christian.

Correct. Avoid Andy Stanley. Charles his dad was a legend.

Dispensationalists also don’t believe the OT apply to them, and that it’s also only for the Jews. So there is that..

May you live in interesting times! That we are!

If Hitler was as bad as you say, why do you feel the need to lie about him?

It’s spelled Holocaust and literally means burnt offering. To who? Not God. Hitler didn’t call it a holocaust. Jewish scholars did. Why? Why not just genocide? Why label it a holocaust? I don’t know the answer but I’d really like someone to answer the question.

Amazing, huh? A topic which seems to be irrational. How can a nation believe in an Aryan Jesus when Scripture is clear as can be. A couple of great resources on the topic.

This is why Deuteronomy 28:64-65 "And the Lord will scatter you among all peoples, from one end of the earth to the other... Among those nations you shall find no rest, nor shall the sole of your foot have a resting place. Isaiah 11:12 'He will gather the exiles of Israel; He will assemble the scattered people of Judah from the four corners of the earth.' Jeremiah 16:15 'As surely as the Lord lives, who brought the Israelites up out of the land of the north and out of all the countries where He had banished them. For I will restore them to the land I gave their ancestors.' Ezekiel 36:24 'For I will take you out of the nations; I will gather you from all the countries and bring you back into your own land.' Isaiah 43:5-6 'Do not be afraid, for I am with you; I will bring your children from the east and gather you from the west. I will say to the north, "Give them up!" and to the south, "Do not hold them back." Bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the ends of the earth.' Ezekiel 37:21-22 'I will take the Israelites out of the nations where they have gone. I will gather them from all around and bring them back into their own land. I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel. There will be one king over all of them and they will never again be two nations or be divided into two kingdoms.' Amos 9:14-15 'I will bring back my exiled people Israel; they will rebuild the ruined cities and live in them. They will plant vineyards and drink their wine; they will make gardens and eat their fruit. I will plant Israel in their own land, never again to be uprooted from the land I have given them,' says the Lord your God.' Deuteronomy 30:3-4 'Then the Lord your God will restore your fortunes and have compassion on you and gather you again from all the nations where he scattered you. Even if you have been banished to the most distant land under the heavens, from there the Lord your God will gather you and bring you back.' Ezekiel 39:1-6 'This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am against you, Gog, chief prince of Meshek and Tubal. I will turn you around and drag you along. I will bring you from the far north and send you against the mountains of Israel. Then I will strike your bow from your left hand and make your arrows drop from your right hand. On the mountains of Israel you will fall, you and all your troops and the nations with you. I will give you as food to all kinds of carrion birds and to the wild animals. You will fall in the open field, for I have spoken, declares the Sovereign Lord. I will send fire on Magog and on those who live in safety in the coastlands, and they will know that I am the Lord.' Joel 3:16 'The Lord will roar from Zion and thunder from Jerusalem; the earth and the heavens will tremble. But the Lord will be a refuge for His people, a stronghold for the people of Israel.' Isaiah 41:11-12 'All who rage against you will surely be ashamed and disgraced; those who oppose you will be as nothing and perish. Though you search for your enemies, you will not find them. Those who wage war against you will be as nothing at all.' Micah 4:11-13 'But now many nations are gathered against you. They say, "Let her be defiled, let our eyes gloat over Zion!" But they do not know the thoughts of the Lord; they do not understand his plan, that he has gathered them like sheaves to the threshing floor. "Rise and thresh, Daughter Zion, for I will give you horns of iron; I will give you hooves of bronze, and you will break to pieces many nations."' Numbers 24:9 'Like a lion they crouch and lie down, like a lioness—who dares to rouse them? May those who bless you be blessed and those who curse you be cursed!' Joshua 1:9 'Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged, for the Lord your God will be with you wherever you go.'

What’s a Holocost?

What I find extremely interesting is that people in prison have a very hard time getting their hands on the entire Bible and mostly only have access to the New Testament only.

Truth!

Never was interested much in the OT until I really turned the corner a couple of years ago pursued my faith with vigor. Now I’m in the midst of a deep dive into the OT. What really shocked me was how utterly consistent God’s love, instruction and care is between the Old and New Testaments. The teaching of Jesus aren’t different - they’re just explained in a different way and context. Those critics who claim the “God of the Old Testament” is not the same as the manifestation we witness in the New Testament haven’t really read the Bible IMHO.

Indeed. “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.” — Torah and prophets. The new testament is inseparable from the old. And btw, those names old/new are human created classifications.

As opposed to...

I was the worship leader for a church plant where the pastor literally told me we couldn’t teach Old Testament or even give complete Bible to new Christians because it was too confusing. He had started two other churches before, one of which is one of the most influential churches in America. I fought him on this for a while. Eventually I just had to move on.

Of all the books I’ve read about Hitler and the Holocaust I did not know this. Perhaps I missed that. @ericmetaxas perhaps can elaborate as he wrote the fantastic book Bonhoeffer.

Theology matters. They are Roman Catholics or of similar beliefs who believe in replacement. theology or supercessionism. Yes this idea and hatred of Israel are apparently linked.

“Aryan,” for them, meant not simply a physical or biological body type, but much more an inner spirit that was simultaneously of great power and also profoundly vulnerable and in need of protection from the degeneracy threatened by non-Aryans, particularly Jews. Most members of the Institute, particularly its academic director, Walter Grundmann, professor of New Testament at the University of Jena, regarded their work as being in the theological avant-garde, addressing and resolving a problem that had long plagued Christian theology: how to establish clear and distinct boundaries between earliest Christianity and Judaism and eliminate all traces of Jewish influence from contemporary Christian theology and religious practice. As a predominantly younger generation of scholars, trained by Germany’s leading scholars of early Christianity—many members of the Institute were students of the distinguished Tübingen professor, Gerhard Kittel, himself a Nazi who produced antisemitic propaganda—they saw themselves able to recover the historically genuine, non-Jewish Jesus and a Christian message compatible with contemporary German identity. Theirs was a goal of purification, authenticity, and theological revolution, all in the name of historical-critical methods and commitment to Germanness, to be achieved by eradicating the Jewish from the Christian. A Christian message tainted by Jewishness could not serve Germans, nor could a Jewish message be the accurate teaching of Jesus. The Institute’s goals were stated forthrightly at its opening by Grundmann, who delivered the keynote lecture on “The Dejudaization of the Religious Life as the Task of German Theology and Church.” The present era, he declared, was similar to the Reformation: Protestants had to overcome Judaism just as Luther had overcome Catholicism. “The elimination of Jewish influence on German life is the urgent and fundamental question of the present German religious situation.” Yes, Grundmann noted, people in Luther’s day could not imagine Christianity without the Pope, just as today they could not imagine salvation without the Old Testament, but the goal could be realized. Modern New Testament scholarship had made apparent the “deformation of New Testament ideas into Old Testament preconceptions, so that now angry recognition of the Jewishness in the Old Testament and in parts of the New Testament has arisen, obstructing access to the Bible for innumerable German people.” The Bible would have to be purified, Grundmann continued, restored to its pristine condition, to proclaim the truth about Jesus: that he sought the destruction of Judaism. Grundmann outlined the scholarly tasks that the Institute would undertake. This included clarifying the role of Judaism in early Christianity and its influence on modern philosophy. Any opposition to National Socialism from within the church, claimed Grundmann, arose from nefarious Jewish influence, such as the arguments of Jewish scholars that Jesus was a Jew. The Jews had destroyed Germans’ “völkisch” (racial) thinking, Grundmann continued, and, with help from Bolshevism, they were now striving for world conquest, the “Weltherrschaft des Judentums” (world domination of Jewry). The Jewish threat to Germany was grave: “For these reasons,” Grundmann stated, echoing Nazi propaganda, “the struggle against the Jews has been irrevocably turned over to the German Volk.” The war against the Jews was not simply a military battle, but a spiritual battle: “Jewish influence on all areas of German life, including on religious-church life, must be exposed and broken,” a phrase Grundmann frequently used in defining the Institute’s purpose. " — The Aryan Jesus: Christian Theologians and the Bible in Nazi Germany by Susannah Heschel a.co/2wa5DR4

The only hope illustrated for humanity in the Bible, is Israel and Israel's Messiah: in other words, G-d's Anointed, G-d's Land, G-d's City, G-d's People, form the great centre through which Salvation would emanate, and around which all prophecy circles.

@grok is that true

You can't understand the Old Testament without the NT. Christians don't want to throw away the OT unlike the Jews that have discarded the NT.

Huh? Is AI writing your posts?

Who says throw the Old Testament out? Oh thats what i thought (crickets)

Why was Tucker more knowledgeable about the OT than Cruz? 🤔

I seen this in some Q faction a while ago. Now their buddy Matt is posting Q.

Oh rabbi Barbie showed up

“Christians need to unhitch themselves from the Old Testament” @AndyStanley

New covenant

BS

Shame on pastors like Andy Stanley, whose father taught him better, to suggest that we “unhitch” from the OT. Charlatans all around us!

The Old Testament should be used as background for what Jesus taught, many scriptures from the Old being thrown around recently have New Testament scripture that says something different.