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Yes! Buy Bitcoin and pray! Pray that Congress does not act on porn entering the blockchain every week. Warren et al would love an excuse to heavily regulate. Thanks Gloria and Core for giving the bureaucrats lots of ammo!
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This thinking is silly. There are 3.5million spam images in the chain. This quirky developer theory about encodings isn't making sense to most users. But that's ok people can be helpful and help you address your perceived risks, with local policy or node code changes.
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There is no silly thinking. Stop it. This attitude caused the current community split. @ Knots and @ Core, we move on. Run your nodes with the filters you want. @ Core, learn to listen. Don't push ineffective tho highly controversial changes because you are "smart".
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Core's steadfast support of SPAM and Porn is absurd! Core's reluctance to acknowledging their v30 mistake says it all. Core can't fix v30 because it was likely a VC requested favor? Evidence points to Core being a VC captive, nasty sabotage? Bitcoin is Money! Knots + BIP-444!
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They don't support SPAM nor Porn. They are just too "smart" to understand what are controversial changes and why they should not do them. What they did is also ineffective because Citrea will not even use OP_RETURN since the other spam channels are cheaper.
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Citrea and other bitVM anchor using layer2s can indeed use op return. And it's cheaper to do so as they are small, and simpler to make ZKP of via op return than a pair of transactions it takes to make a inscription.
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They can, but will they? @citrea_xyz, will you use OP_RETURN? I think they won't, so the controversial change was completely unnecessary.
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They may or may not. But there are other layer2s that will logically look at using bitVM, bitVM2, bitVM 3, Glock. And so the fix is useful, also it's just clearly an incentive bug, so fixing it was the right thing to do.
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It's surprising how many just don't understand the challenge response model even of lightning which critically relies on proof of publication. See even developers wrongly arguing PoP is not needed. Bad intuition, completely wrong conclusion.
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Does it need a full blown open OP_RETURN? No it does not. Was it just pushed through because you are all just "too smart to get it"? Yes it was.
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The proof of publication needs to be in the chain, obviously for the same reason lightning requires the preimage to be published. It could be in many different formats, but op return is the least wasteful of node resources.
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Does anyone have a *real* use case for more than 83 bytes (or at the extreme outside 192 bytes)? Other than silly (or dangerous) pics I don't see the need for 100KB! Why is Core so adamant about 100KB? Why not v31, simply roll back to (semi-original) 83 bytes?
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I just explained 256b to @MalachiRevolts. Did you not read. And explained why 100kb is logical. Why not change it to 83b or 0b ... Obviously because it was an incentive bug that needed fixing. All that does is reintroduce or make worse the incentive bug, and doesn't prevent bitVM
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100k is illogical, core Devs are overdue some corrective actions! At this stage their ego needs to face reality and running knots is an excellent alternative pushing through BIP444 to exclude spam transactions at the consensus level! The soft fork solves this neatly!
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you are incorrect, it's fully logical for reasons elaborated at length. the soft-fork is highly risky, "temporary emergency soft-fork" is IMO very unlikely to get consensus. running knots is a moderately risky alternative because it has 40k lines of little reviewed code. and
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This change was logical but a strategically dumb move at the same time. Good luck winning trust back for Core. You all failed to take all aspects in perspective.
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i saw it coming, in terms of drama. but core didn't lose trust: they did the logical thing. simple thing to help is explain the logic, and wait for the drama to exhaust itself or find a new drama to fight about.
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They lost my trust.
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Looking at my connected nodes.. it's in line with coindance. They lost about 21% hard factual trust.
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people who understand didn't lose trust. i highly doubt any serious custodian, wallet backend, exchange hot or cold wallet, lightning service node would. it's sad people are upset, but it's a nothing-burger, and fully logical and rational change.
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I absolutely hope it's a nothing-burger. We have over $2 trillion of hard earned money stored on Bitcoin! If there is *any* scandal or loss of trust, the value of Bitcoin could plummet. There are major detractors of Bitcoin: Banking lobby, gold bugs, and many in Congress.
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the drama is self-created by a tiny subset of bitcoiners. the reality is it's a nothing-burger on a technical basis. luckily i believe most people are simply not paying attention, which just as well given the shallow reality.
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And when the drama was on, they should've taken a step back instead of going full autistic, hiding comments, deleting threads, locking threads, minimizing the concerns.. you know all the bad stuff that breaks trust.
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some mistakes were made to be sure, could've been done better. but ultimately you want software made by engineers who will focus on doing the right thing for economic and logical rationality. you can't design flight control systems based on lynch mob emotional upset.
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i'd say @bitschmidty and @murchandamus are doing a pretty good job of explaining things and stepped up to reduce scope for future misunderstanding or wedge issues getting out of all proportion.
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Adam, Have @LukeDashjr and @GrassFedBitcoin and @NickSzabo4 agreed (at least to some degree) with how things are going as of today? From your perspective, have those stalwarts expressed any degree of satisfaction that the community, as a whole, is now on the right track? Many of us ordinary folk are nervous, $2 trillion of market cap at risk.
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Not at all on this end. People who are so profoundly ignorant about the threat environment are hardly in a position to "communicate" to those of us who understand the threat environment.
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@adam3us you've worked closely with Mike and Greg at Blockstream. But please also hear community voices like Nick's. This is about attack surface and worst-case planning. You mentioned Core not wanting to lose face. Support some compromise like restoring the 160B default in 30.1.
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it's all a bit silly i have to say. and i'm a bit surprised Nick particularly is attracted to these quirky encoding debates, like it makes a difference inside a series of large database files, which are even encrypted.
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As usual you grossly mischaracterize my position instead of actually quoting me or showing even a modicum of understanding of what I have said.
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nick can you stop talking about CP every day it’s concerning
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Most v30 defenders seem to be in the dismal SF quadrant of Myers-Briggs: too lacking in intuition to think several steps ahead and too emotional to grasp most logical points. They massively fail to appreciate the big picture.
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The experience is very much the opposite I've been explaining basic comp sci fallacies to people. These are very fundamental things. In physics terms it's like people wanting some feature and refusing to believe gravity exists.
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The fact that rat shit and Adam are on the same page is a pretty simple heuristic on the core 30 “debate” Nick, thank you for jumping back into the fight, helping all of us see who the real villains and misguided well intended people are in this issue, and who the remnant is. 🙏
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💯 Nick. When that fucking vermin Udi is on your side, you are on the wrong side. That is a basic law of bitcoin. Very disappointing to see Adam and a few others who I previously respected choosing to die on this hill.
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Udi thinks he's the smartest person in the room. Tactics like that worked on his dumb ass friends and family growing up.
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The fact Udi, who has been well documented as anti-bitcoin for half a decade now, shows his face here and Adam isn’t disclaiming him, reflects on Adam and Core very strongly.
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Guy involved with intel agency known for operating one of biggest multi decade child trafficking and blackmail rings attempts to gaslight plebs into believing Nick has pathological obsessive tendencies but the accuser lacks the self awareness to see it in his own disturbing posts
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You're saying "talking about cp every day" is the same as warning of the risks cp poses everyday & begging to be heard so Bitcoin, TCs, and miners don't get crushed by government regulations and lawsuits? You're absolutely being a dishonest piece of shit Udi. (And you know it)
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This is the kind of speech that one's have when he's tired of stupid fucking spammers that think they are smart
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