Truly amazing and revealing interaction Paul (and all the no-coiner and altcoiner critics) “studies” Bitcoin, but doesn’t actually use it

You continue to fail to create and post on nostr so that I can zap you via LN

1. get some FreeRoss people in 2. ask them what they did That's all I have so far

== The Lightning Dupes == Of those who say: "I used Lightning, it worked for me" , At least 95% of them are being conned (probably 99%). They have no idea what "custodial" means -- they are victims of a fraud. Which they then unwittingly repeat. It was the same with Theranos. This blood company brought visitors in, and had them "use" their blood test machine. Then, while the machine was "working" the visitors were giving a tour of the lab... ...as soon as those visitors were out of the room, Theranos techs came in, took their blood samples back out of the Theranos machine, diluted it, and did the tests on old, traditional Siemens devices. They printed these results and made them appear as if they had come from the Theranos machine. Visitors got these results. Then, having been scammed, they told their friends: "i uSeD tHe DeViCe MySelF ! i'Ve SeEn iT wOrK!" This included George Shultz, former secretary of state -- his own grandson, Tyler Shultz, worked at Theranos and knew about the deception. But his grandfather refused to listen, saying: "I used it myself" If you are being conned, it doesn't matter that you "used something yourself". You are just a Dupe

Lightning seems cool at first -- but after Year 6 you realize it doesn't work

Not sure if Brian thought he is helping anyone here but the opposite feels true. The subjects of a bet becoming self aware and actively changing their behavior is ironically the failure mode of prediction markets that will lead to liquidity drying up.

When @Truthcoin loved Lightning!

cashu is an ethically questionable project, and I think people should bash it to some extent It's based on deception. All of the technical verbiage , "chaumian eCash", website, documentation, etc -- is all a song and dance, to shroud the fact that it is custodial. Thus, it is a "stair-based elevator", just like custodial lightning. With cashu, you send real BTC to the mint, and get back only an IOU. The cryptography does NOT help you honor the IOU -- it just hides who owns which IOUs. This is underwhelming to say the least. It is like saying "our stair-based elevator gives you a nice view of the area". Chaumian mints will probably be used for something, eventually -- but until the lies stop, it is perfectly reasonable for @1440000bytes to try to destroy the project. After all, if I had criticized the Lightning Network earlier, we would probably be at $500k per coin today. I would question the ethics of anyone investing in or shilling cashu -- sorry to say. They are too blasé -- about the truth, about technological excellence, about the Bitcoin ethos, the rugpull risk, etc. Just my opinion, sorry not sorry

Clowns have banned me and removed the post from delving. It still exists on bitcointalk: bitcointalk.org/index.php?to…

We did use it in production, in fact our team invented most of the core cryptography and wrote the library for DLCs. Lava’s tech stack has evolved significantly since we first began building. Initially, we leveraged DLCs and atomic swaps and later moved away from pure-play DLCs towards a more hybrid model. We’ve updated our tech stack multiple times to improve security, reduce trust assumptions, and minimize risk. We still leverage some of that initial cryptography in our systems today, but we realized that the technology wasn’t secure enough for what we needed to build. In fact, there are vulnerabilities we discovered in the technology itself. The technology is promising in theory, but our team has spend years working with it in practice and found that it just didn’t offer the security we needed for our users. That wasn’t a compromise we were willing to make. We needed infrastructure that could safeguard trillions in wealth, and that’s what we’ve built.

Look at the distribution of z-values from medical research!