I suppose it’s mostly because I’m an introvert. I’ll do it if I have to, but I certainly don’t crave it.

@grok who or what group pushed the 27th amendment to pass?

You’re acting like we’re asking to tie compensation to EVERY bill, which would obviously be silly. If the rest of the government isn’t getting paid because they failed to fund it, they should not be paid either- that’s all.

The framers weren’t alive when the 27th amendment went into effect. Senators Kennedy’s bill was out of order though.

Congress shouldn't be paid AT ALL for this job. Biggest gaffe in congressional history was giving them a salary instead of a per diem based on need. And if the issue in question is whether or not they're doing the job of running the government (not what they voted for) then, yeah, they damn well shouldn't make a dime.

Um, according to the founders you shouldn’t be getting paid at all! They only allotted you a small per diem

The 27th Amendment prevents Congress from changing the salary level mid-term. It does not create an unbreakable right to be paid regardless of whether you do your job. The suggested bill uses a time-tested, court-upheld escrow mechanism identical to laws that have operated for decades without constitutional challenge. Also Paul did not vote against it because he “wanted to get paid”, he voted against it because he wants it to apply to everyone including the president who by the way is still getting paid…

During a shutdown where the government has to allocate funds to operate, the 27th can’t force the administration to spend money it doesn’t have. So an escrow account for back pay seems like a way Congress could not get paid during a shutdown while not violating the 27th.

Well said, except for the glaring fact that the framers had nothing to do with the 27th Amendment other than provide the opportunity to amend the Constitution from time to time.

Pausing it during a government shutdown isn’t “varying” it - they can get paid once they agree on a budget.

Oh, no, I don’t think the 27th amendment says what you think it says. It only states that any law passed that affects compensation of members of Congress cannot go into effect until the next term. It doesn’t prohibit passing a law that makes Congressional pay nonessential during a shutdown — it just cannot take effect until the next Congress

27th was not passed and ratified until 1992…

This was passed to prevent members of congress from voting for a pay rase before facing the voters not to keep them from getting paid when congress is not appropriating funds. As long as they get the money when funds are appropriated there pay has not been changed even if it's delayed.

They are not doing their job, period. That's why they shouldn't get paid. What the Senate is doing is against the oath each of them took. This is a ridiculous dereliction of duty.

Has MAGA read the CR? I don’t support giving healthcare benefits to illegal immigrants. But I’ve got a serious question for my fellow Republicans: Why are we okay with extending $10.07 BILLION in foreign aid from Oct. 1 to Nov. 21? •Total Foreign Operations: $10.07B (of $60.43B annually) •State/USAID: $5.39B •International Assistance: $4.68B We MANDATED that Congress pass 12 separate appropriations bills — not kick the can with Continuing Resolutions and last-minute Omnibus bills. The Speaker keeps making promises… and not delivering. We gave them the Majority and they are blowing it. One party wants to fund other countries. The other wants to fund people who broke our laws. Meanwhile, NO ONE is fighting for the American people. 🇺🇸 #AmericaFirst #DefundForeignAid #HoldTheLine #StopTheCR

Just withhold the pay until the government reopens, and pay them then, just like will happen with all the other government employees. A short-term but not permanent pain. They'll still get their entire pay but maybe not until December.

The distinction is clear to me that the 27th amendment doesn't apply. Withholding payments doesn't change the rate of pay (annual salary) , it just gets deferred to a later date for payment.

It would be possible to pass a bill that says that future congresses lose pay when the government enters shutdown. It’s just not constitutional to have the bill affect this Congress.

27th amendment was ratified in 1992.

I think if congress can’t manage to keep the government open, the voters should have the right to replace them with the runner up from the primaries. We need a way to start firing people who can’t do the jobs they were elected to do.

@grok Does this solve the problem he believes it to? Seems to me that those elected stay elected at an extremely high rate so even if it isn't for their current term most reps that vote for pay raises see them correct?

HOW HAS CONGRESS VOTED PAY RAISES IN THE PAST? WHERE ARE FUNDS APPROPRIATED TO PAY CONGRESS WHILE ALL OTHER FEDERAL EMPLOYEES HAVE THEIR PAY ON HOLD INDEFINITELY?! 😵😖🇺🇸🙏🙏🙏

Agreed generally, but if government is shut down and no federal pay is going out, it also (and firstly) should not go out to Congress or any elected officials.

Repeal the 17th amendment. Also, states should pay their own representatives and Senators.

Constitution also doesn't require 60 votes for the senate to do anything, but here we are

And they NEVER anticipated career politicians

How ironic. But use it against federal employees as leverage.

Except they’re all crooks and don’t deserve the money they get to begin with.

But they can hold the citizens hostage to compel members to vote for or against legislation?

Did they know about stocks?

What if they’ll be re-elected or kicked out of office if they vote a certain way on a bill? The whole point of having elected officials is that they’re held accountable for their actions. By delaying pay changes to the next term it’s the same kind of delay. There’s nothing stopping them from voting no pay for themselves next term. Let’s have them do that!

Congress should be paid by their constituents in any amount or matter they choose.

It’s called VOLUNTARY ESCROW and it’s perfectly legal

Total common sense, actually. The President, SCOTUS and Congress all should lose their pay during a shutdown, right along with the rest of the federal employees. Congress acts like they're special, but they are not. They are supposed to be servants of the people.

@grok. Please tell everyone the history of the 27th Amendment, especially when it was proposed and when it was ratified. (Hoe many days passed?)