‘China lifted hundreds of millions of people out of poverty.’ Wrong. China abandoned socialist economy. And the Chinese people lifted ourselves out of poverty. What did the state do? They kept people in poverty for decades through their fanatical socialist experiments, which they had to abandon due to abject and glaring failures. I don’t remember anyone ‘lifting’ anyone out of poverty, in my family, my friends’ families, in countrysides, cities. The use of the word ‘lifting’ is a propagandistic language that gives agency and credit to the state, and treats the people of China as patients to an external cure. It also makes the PRC sound like a welfare state. Nothing is further from the truth. So please part your way with the language of ‘lifting’. It is a false claim and frankly insulting to everyone in China over past decades who worked hard to improve the livelihood of their own and their families. There are plenty of much better words here.

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"lifted" is no exaggeration when compared to virtually all developing countries. Give me an example of success?
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Japan, Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, Poland, Chile
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And what’s happening in India? Do they also have a free market — and for longer than China?
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As much as I hope to understand India better, this is above my pay grade. You should ask an India expert. I won’t pretend a one-size-fit-all solution, which you seem to be searching for.
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They did not spend all their money on 'fighting ' wars.. Their 'parliament' cannot be bougtht by billionaires Their tax system is way different And chinese are very hard working people And it all started with an astonishing Education System
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Chinese parliament is literally full of billionaires. I struggle to name a billionaire that isn’t/hasn’t been there.
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Not disagreeing with you, but at least the Chinese government realized what didn't work and pivoted to policies which worked better. That's better than doubling-down on failed policies which some leaders try to do.
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It’s hard not to realise it when 50m+ people died in Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution combined. They realised it before 1960 already, yet disasters continued regardless for another two decades.
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Absolutely true! Only when the CCP lifted the boot off of the necks of the Chinese people and allowed them to engage with the outside world and do business did the Chinese people lift themselves out of poverty.
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Set aside your family's temporary misfortunes and at least look at the stats: Mao grew China's economy 300% faster than America's for 23 years–despite US invasions, boycotts, tariffs and embargoes.
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Wealth of the nation always down to how productive its people are. Taking credit for increasing wealth because they became less oppressive is a ridiculous take.
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Comparing these tiny societies to China is absurd. The people only legit example is Japan. Japan got rich post WWII because it had no competition and was aligned with dominant US. After the US rug pulled them in the 1980s, they’ve stagnated for 35 years while China got rich. India is the other good example, which is still a poor country as China has grown rich.
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Liu has done zero academic research. I interviewed a wonderful woman who wrote a book detailing just how the Chinese lifted their people out of poverty. It was extraordinary system, worth replicating. piped.video/25cY45_9dKM
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Your argument is not history. It is selective memory, weaponized by ideology. Nobody denies the effort and resilience of the Chinese people. But to pretend the Chinese state "did nothing" is to deny the most extraordinary, deliberate, and large-scale transformation in human history. China’s poverty reduction was not an accident. It was policy. Who built the schools, the roads, the clinics, the power grids? Who coordinated land reform, industrial investment, and mass literacy campaigns? Who created the hukou, the SOEs, the Special Economic Zones, and then mobilized public infrastructure on a scale no market could ever match? You say the Chinese state "kept people in poverty." But without socialist land reform, there would have been no foundation for industrialization. Without collective investment, there would have been no possibility for reform and opening. Yes, market reforms mattered. But they only worked because the socialist phase broke the feudal order, united the country, and built the bones of the modern state. The opening-up policy of the 1980s did not abandon socialism. It weaponized it. It used state planning to invite markets, not the other way around. The state didn’t "lift" people like a parent carrying a child. It built the staircase so the people could climb. "Lifting out of poverty" is shorthand for structural change, not paternalism. And it is not an insult. It is recognition that the state, at its best, can turn history. That's what happened in China. The scale of poverty reduction is not propaganda. It is a historical singularity. Your family’s struggle was real, but it unfolded within a system rebuilt brick by brick. A system that replaced dependency on landlords and foreign capital with collective strength and self-reliance. Hard work creates improvement. But only sovereignty creates opportunity. And that sovereignty was defended, centralized, and organized by the same state you dismiss. China’s rise was not an act of charity by the state Nor of isolation by the individual. It was a dialectic: a unity of people and structure, of discipline and vision, of revolution and reform. You can reject propaganda, but you can’t erase cause and effect. The people built the nation. The nation made the people’s labor mean something. If you want to honor their effort, remember who built the platform beneath their feet. It was not the invisible hand. It was the visible, calloused hand of a people’s state. To deny that is to erase the very possibility of collective achievement. That erasure is the propaganda. China’s people lifted themselves, And they did it on the foundation of a state that refused to let the market decide who lived and who starved.
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@HeLiuLeo I disagree with your take. While it's true that individual hard work and the shift away from strict socialist policies played a significant role in China's poverty reduction, the state’s strategic interventions cannot be dismissed. The Chinese government’s infrastructure development, market reforms, and policies like the Household Responsibility System in the late 1970s and early 1980s provided the foundation for economic growth. Data from the World Bank and UN show that over 800 million people were lifted out of extreme poverty between 1978 and 2018, a feat that coincided with state-led initiatives like opening up to global trade and investment. The "lifting" language reflects the enabling role of policy, not just propaganda—without the government's pivot, the scale of progress might not have been possible. Individual effort thrived because the state created the conditions for it.
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Gordon hiring interns I see
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Not trying to be China’s defender here, but state policy plays a huge role in shaping the social mobility that allows people to rise. Sure, there’s plenty to criticise, but it’s not just as simple as blaming the government for everything.
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"Lifting," with regard to people in China, was a term being used in the US in the 1980s and 90s by globalism proponents when discussing western investors co-funding the build-out of industrial capacity, such as it would get rural people out of threadbare communal farming. It's internationalist "UN Speak" meant to mute now-proven concerns that the West was selling the CCP the best American hangman's rope in exchange for better margins. The PRC was happy to parrot all the Western UN Speak (poor, developing, lifting, etc) they had to until they could get most favored nation status and a seat at the WTO. In kind, the globalists were all too happy to parrot the PRC's propaganda that any pushback to supposed-free trade and resultant Western deindustrialization was "racist" and "colonial." No one blames ordinary Chinese people wanting to climb out of communist poverty with ambition and hard work. But we do blame our neoliberal de-industrialists for selling out our long-term interests.
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CCP didn’t “lift” everybody out of poverty, they “lifted” the Maoist policies that were keeping everyone there.
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Yep — the post is basically right. China’s mass poverty reduction didn’t come from communist economics. It happened after the CCP abandoned Mao-era socialism and opened the economy to markets (Deng Xiaoping, late 1970s–1980s). People got wealthier because they were finally allowed to work, trade, and build businesses. The state didn’t “lift” people out of poverty — it stopped suffocating them with collectivism
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Sure, the state didn’t ‘lift’ anyone… it just controlled every single condition under which that lifting happened.
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Delusional
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I never read it explained so accurately. Well-done. Following.
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The great leap forward, starving millions, is how the CCP “lifts” the poor.
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India would like a word.
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