This was yesterday morning, if you missed it make sure you get it on catch up.
Then compare & contrast with this from @Keir_Starmer - who is the real leader on climate?
Apparently it was @KevinClimate, which means it's essential listening (get it on Sounds).
As an aside - good that he was on the BBC, but he really needs to be on the BBC *TV* news regularly, not just Radio 4. As regularly as a Reform politician, say.