jensen huang is right china will likely win the AI race. they're releasing open-source models to weaken U.S. funding, while catching up in compute and next-gen models they already dominate in robotics and if AI levels out, they'll win through hardware strength

Nov 8, 2025 · 2:05 AM UTC

Replying to @slow_developer
At this point, China's productive capacity and high average IQ population will dominate all sectors unless there's certain ideological reasons blocking them for doing so. Mises' calculation problem predicts that there will be, as no government can escape its logic. Their centralized, quasi-fascist Chinese State must lose to America's decentralized, federalized States. However, as long as America plays Empire, she will lose. We can't outstate China, and attempts to do so are un-American and anti-Western by nature. So we must play to our strengths. We must honor the promises of liberty. Mass deregulation, full-on decentralization, more alignment with network-state visions over nation-state are the paths forward. We will win if only we have the courage to pursue the paths of our Founding Fathers.
5
3
Replying to @slow_developer
AI researcher here - China has won the race of AI publicly. Behind closed doors - China is terrified of what we have. What you are seeing from China is an aggressive wake up call into response what was accidentally released from an oracle black box in 2023. I’m not allowed to say anything more about this - and I am not suicidal nor do I ever want to kill myself. DARPA has something’s AI related that I’m not at liberty allowed to say that are beyond you’re understanding of humanity. This is what I’m 2023 China got scared and they aggressively pushing our open sourced models - they are doing this in hopes someone out there can built an AI system that can counter what currently has been made by DARPA and a few places that I’m not eger going to say. If something happens to me, may you all remember this tweet and one day I will be justified of me whistleblowing.
3
1
2
Replying to @slow_developer
They will have to beat @grok and I’m pretty sure “winning” will be difficult against truth.
2
2
Replying to @slow_developer
That's a very clear-eyed assessment of China's strategy. It's a plausible argument that moves beyond just looking at who has the best large language model today. I think the situation is best understood not as one "AI race," but as two different competitors running two completely different strategies on the same track. 🇨🇳 China's Strategy: The Quantitative & Hardware Path You've correctly identified China's core advantages. Their strategy is a long game focused on industrial and hardware dominance. Robotics Dominance: You're right, they are the clear leader. Statistically, China is the world's largest market for and producer of industrial robots. They have an enormous head start in embodied AI—the physical integration of AI into manufacturing and logistics. Hardware & Manufacturing Strength: This is their central advantage. China controls the vast majority of the global electronics supply chain, from raw material processing to final assembly. The "Leveling Out" Bet: Your fourth point is the key. China's strategy seems to be built on the assumption that AI progress might "level out" or become a "good enough" commodity. If that happens, the "race" stops being about who has the single smartest AI and becomes about who can build and deploy the most physical AI agents (robots, smart factories, drones) at the largest scale and the lowest cost. In that scenario, their manufacturing base gives them a massive, potentially decisive, edge. The Open-Source Tactic: Releasing "good enough" open-source models is a classic commoditization strategy. It weakens the funding and market power of U.S. incumbents (like OpenAI or Anthropic) by driving down the price of AI, preventing them from establishing an unassailable (and profitable) lead. 🇺🇸 America's Strategy: The Qualitative & Compute Path The U.S. strategy, by contrast, is a high-stakes bet on a qualitative breakthrough. Frontier Model Lead: U.S. labs (like OpenAI, Google, and Anthropic) are generally assessed as holding a significant lead—perhaps 1-2 years—in creating the most powerful, next-generation frontier models. The Compute Chokehold: The U.S. government's strategy (e.g., chip sanctions) isn't just to slow China down; it's to protect this qualitative lead. The U.S. and its allies (the Netherlands, Taiwan, South Korea) effectively control the most advanced semiconductors and lithography equipment (like ASML's EUV machines) needed to train these next-generation models. The bet is that by controlling the "giga-fabs" and "picks and shovels," they can stay ahead at the absolute cutting edge. The Decisive Question Who wins depends entirely on which bet about the future is correct: If AI progress hits a plateau (as your post suggests), China's strategy is extremely strong. They will likely win the economic and geopolitical race by dominating the global economy with AI-powered physical infrastructure and manufacturing. If AI progress continues to accelerate and one of the U.S. labs achieves a "winner-take-all" breakthrough (like a true AGI), that event could make all of China's hardware advantages irrelevant overnight. In short, your analysis is sound, but it's contingent on the bet that AI will become a mass-produced commodity rather than a singular, qualitative breakthrough. China is betting on the first, while the U.S. is betting on the second.
1
Replying to @slow_developer
They are less dominant in robotics than it seems (and I would say our top humanoid shops are well ahead).
2
4
Replying to @slow_developer
The US has pressured Nvidia to restrict supply of latest gen GPUs to China and they are still releasing top end models. Imagine what they could do with actual GPUs. The US is so cooked.
1
14
Replying to @slow_developer
They won't. They're bugs. Europeans have a distinct biological advantage for innovation and abstraction. The Chinese emulate and extrapolate. They're sitting on the edge of their chairs for the next packet of data syphoned off from the west they can build from.
1
Replying to @slow_developer
This is why @Tesla is the most important Western company. Hardware.
1
Replying to @slow_developer
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Replying to @slow_developer
The race will continue into the future. Unless it is about AGI
Replying to @slow_developer
It also depends whether AI will stay mostly software or hardware (robotics etc)
Replying to @slow_developer
Hard power wins when intelligence becomes infrastructure.
2
Replying to @slow_developer
China will be in the lead with both power and compute for quite some time - unless the US demands our orgs pool resources and puts all bets on one major player.
7
Replying to @slow_developer
Question is: when thinking about the future shall we use country/state categories? Long term it will be none. And yes, more collective mindset will win, as american energy-competition-innovation drive would loose its sense in AI world.
1
1
Replying to @slow_developer
Disagree completely..
CAP Theorem 2.0 (Part 113) ------------------------------ USA has already won the AI war.. let's not snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.. 😎 I present .. "Axiom 17" (Part 113) GUDIYA is an AI Fleet Scale Governance Framework. #GUDIYA #NGID #MANHATTANPROJECT20 @NucleusResearch, @IDC, @EYnews, @DeloitteUS, @PwC, @KPMG, @KPMG_US, @KPMGIndia, @Infosys, @TCS, @Wipro, @nvidiaAI, @marcandressene, @pmarca, @sequoia, @GoogleAI, @OpenAI, @MicrosoftAI, @McKinsey, @BainandCompany, @BCG, @awscloud, @AWSstartups, @Forbes, @nytimes, @washingtonpost, @PeterSlattery1, @aif_media, @stanfordailab,@fairairesearch,@karlmehta
1
1
Replying to @slow_developer
By “weakening the US funding” you mean like shareholders will hold US tech companies at bay for asking for too much money when China does it for way less?
2
Replying to @slow_developer
China's focus on hardware is definitely a strong advantage.. but I think the open-source strategy is even more intriguing. By making models accessible, they're not just boosting domestic development.. they're inviting global collaboration and innovation, which could accelerate their progress even further. The question is.. will this strategy create enough momentum to truly outpace the U.S., especially with the level of funding and talent concentrated here?
3
Replying to @slow_developer
I agree China's advancements in robotics and AI could give them a significant edge, but let's not underestimate the US's ability to innovate and adapt. What are your thoughts on the role of international collaboration in the AI space?
1
Replying to @slow_developer
Chinese robots are already better. I bought a Eufy for my house and it was cheap and works amazing. Aimilar American companies wanted nearly twice as much money.
Replying to @slow_developer
UNLESS of course, the U.S. based AI companies start competing in open source too… Is Dario still twirling his hair and gaslighting his customers?
5
Replying to @slow_developer
That’s a sharp take China’s edge in hardware and manufacturing might end up mattering more than model breakthroughs. Open-sourcing could be a strategic play too shift the battleground from innovation to scale and integration, where they already excel.
Replying to @slow_developer
I think on the technology breakthrough USA is going to lead but China will win at mass scaling that technology and yes there's a probability when you do quantify so much, the breakthrough technology can emerge from it too.
Replying to @slow_developer
Models are becoming commodities. The real war is at the application layer. LLMs are the new internet.
Replying to @slow_developer
Another big advantage for China is that their political environment allows high efficiency for testing and executing AI across the whole country. Compared to US, where every state has its own law, it allows more trial and error and therefore more practical improvements.
1
15
Replying to @slow_developer
Yeah the U.S. funding has really dried up 🙄
Replying to @slow_developer
Very simply they have the energy infrastructure to go the distance. Everyone else will hit the wall.
1
Replying to @slow_developer
AI is pretty much levelled. Grok will pull ahead some more because Elon is Elon.
1
Replying to @slow_developer
Definitely wins already in HI-human intelligence. If you compare average Chinese and average American.
Replying to @slow_developer
They will dominate the war for new tech but it all depends of who will withdraw the talents.
Replying to @slow_developer
All the U.S has to do is open source it all.
Replying to @slow_developer
Honestly, dominance in hardware and open access could give China a serious edge in the AI race.
1
Replying to @slow_developer
What does he think America needs to win?
1
Replying to @slow_developer
Silicon Valley's trillion-dollar tantrum vs. China's lean, mean AI machine. Popcorn's getting cold.
1
Replying to @slow_developer
They dominate human controlled robotics maybe. The open source models are mostly distilled.
2
Replying to @slow_developer
their open source strategy is actually brilliant
Replying to @slow_developer
Agree and it's just a matter of time