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It depends on what you mean by "shows up."

Oof.

Next: how much are they charging for their concert tickets? I looked up one of Forrest’s concerts… lots of people to pay, I get it. But should ppl charge for singing about Jesus, who if he didn’t give them the ability they wouldn’t be singing? I don’t know. It’s a question.

Worship is a heart submitted to God in love. Often this happens while praising at Church. But for many, it happens more often during quiet prayer. In fact, quiet prayer is how we build our faith, as we recognize and hear the voice of God. “So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.” Romans 10:17 NKJV The Greek “word” here is the kind used for spoken word (Rhema). So Paul is clearly saying that faith comes by hearing the spoken words of God.

All grace is given to these 2. They are coming out of some messed up theology. It took us 3 years of getting out and digging in our Bible to correct our thinking.

I don't think it's a good idea to tie God to emotional feelings for the same reason I don't think it's a good idea to base love on emotional feelings. One day the feelings might be gone and it can be devastating to a relationship. "I just don't feel it anymore" is heartbreaking.

Tozer’s Whatever happened to Worship? should be essential reading for anyone in “worship ministry.” The statement “I felt God in the music today” is the idolatrous natural theology.

Spot on! It is the manipulation of emotions through worship that seeks to replace (or manufacture) the Spirit. It takes effort to turn off the manipulation and seek to truly worship. It can be done, but worship leaders today need help in knowing how.

@alisa_childers there’s a difference in emotionalism and the manifest/tangible presence of God. That’s what she’s referring to. Of course God is omnipresent, and present in every true believer. I’m sure @SteffanyGretzi1 (if that was her in this video) would agree. But there’s also the manifest/tangible presence of the Lord that we can experience in worship, prayer, and other moments. I don’t think we can say that if we don’t experience this blessing every time then it wasn’t really worship, but I appreciate the point she’s making- since she’s trying to distinguish between performance vs. heartfelt worship in Spirit and Truth that truly ministers to the Lord and is often reciprocated with such an encounter. ❤️

Amen - ugh “the hillsong-effect” has penetrated so many churches with wanna be rock stars, smoke machines and formulaic mantras being passed off as some type of worship- like anything else false, follow the money.

My church believes that a certain level of loud music with songs that are deemed worship songs creates an ability for people to have opportunity to worship undistracted. 🤷🏼‍♀️

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I agree with Steffany Gretzinger The difference between the Bride and Babylon is becoming clearer

Exactly! And the worship songs calling on the Holy Spirit to "come"?...Biblically NOT aligned! If the Spirit of God is dwelling in you he doesn't need to be called! People ARE invoking spirits this way. Ive seen them myself. it was a terrifying experience.....

people who are walking in the light should be praying for the same places they feel are lost..why would you be glad someone left Bethel? It's a cult? If so then you are a very weak christian if a cult can coexist with you 😎when Elijah appeared all prophets of Baal were powerless

It's an important sentiment and concept for the modern church to wrestle with. What can we do as Christian artists to make better God-pleasing art? The answer is not more emotionalism, nor is it formulaic art, nor it is do I get butterflies when I hear it, nor is it condemning those who disagree with our formulas. It is a Christ-centered focus that uses authentic well-crafted art that OFFENDS the "church ladies" for the sake of the gospel.

His InDwelling Presence and His Manifest Presence are two different things entirely. If you’ve ever experienced a “dead” church service and an Anointed Church service—you know the difference.

🕯️ Worship isn’t about summoning God. It’s about aligning with Him = spirit to Spirit, truth to Truth. No hype. No manipulation. Just real reverent encounter. Jn 4:24🧭… in truth & spirit!!!🙏

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I increasingly want nothing to do with the culture of CCM (and contemp. Christian culture in general). I agree with your critique though. This “show up and show off” mentality is antithetical to biblical worship.

THIS. I have been invested and serving in my local church for nearly 20 years, and I am WORN out with the idea that we need to call out for or coerce the Spirit in any way. It’s a dangerous lie.

Sometimes you’re simply not going to “feel” God being present or at work in your life. Hey! This is a good topic for a poem. Maybe call it “footsteps in the sand” or something like that?

Your clarity is refreshing

Agreed. Sounds like blasphemy to me. Emotions can be very very deceptive. Not to be trusted. “Either He shows up or…” Somebody show me where that is in the Bible.

Amen Alisa - He is always there. Nothing we do makes him "show up".

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Infants in the pulpit raising more infants.

My interpretation is there's a massive amount of guilt over when she did live and perform as if a money changer in the temple, but still now lives in the same legalistic paradigm that says she has to earn her forgiveness the same way in which she had to earn God 'showing up'

Yes, God is omnipresent. But I know exactly what she is talking about.